Hintergrundinfos zum Portal 2 warum es kein Solid Inner gibt

Hi zusammen.

Ich weiß nicht ob dieser Post hier richtig ist. Ansonsten gerne verschieben.

Ich hab mal bei Slingfin angefragt warum es kein Portal mit Solid Inner gibt.
Ich hab ein Portal 2 und fände das als Winteredition die nicht so zugig ist und Wärme speichert hilfreich und toll, weil mir das Portal 2 trotz des höheren Gewichts als 1 Personen Bude oder 1+ Bude mit allem Gear im Inner richtig gut taugt auch wegen der 2 Eingänge, und zusätzliche monsterstabil ist. Und immer wieder taucht auch dieser Wunsch auch woanders auf. Auch habe ich das verstärkte Gestänge für herausfordernde Bedingungen.

Die Antwort von Slingfin war:

Hi Chris, the Portal is designed to be a 3-season tent, which is why it has a mesh inner. The heavy duty poles are meant to extend the usable season of the tent, but for true four-season use we make the CrossBow, which has a full solid inner. If we made a full solid inner for the Portal, it would make people think it’s a four-season tent and they would take it out in conditions it’s not designed to handle, especially without the heavy duty poles, which could lead to negative experiences for everyone involved! Hope that makes sense.

Vielleicht taugt jemand dieses Wissen für irgendwas. ........ Grüße Chris

Ich habe nochmal nachgehakt weil das Solid ja auch Wärme speichert und Luftzug umgeht und nicht nur für Sturm da sein soll. Und auch der irritierenden Aussage bezüglich des YouTube-Artikels:

Hier die Antwort

I know which post you’re talking about, and I believe perhaps you misunderstood. I mentioned that we would like to make a PARTIAL solid inner for the Portal- that means a mesh inner with small solid panels on it. We have never had plans to make a solid inner for the Portal, and we do not plan to in the future. And no, we have not found a suitable fabric. The CrossBow fabric is great, but it is so expensive that the Portal would no longer be a viable product if we used it for the canopy. The portal is a 3-season tent. If we made a full solid inner for the portal, people would use it with the standard poles thinking it is a four season tent, which it is not. A partial solid inner might be an option in the future if we find a fabric, but it depends on the weight and cost of the fabrics we find. Believe me, if we made a fully solid inner for the Portal, people would not be able to understand that it’s not meant for four seasons. It would only work as a four-season tent with the heavy duty poles, and then it’s basically just a weaker CrossBow without a WebTruss.

Ich konnte mir eine Antwort darauf nicht verkneifen 😉:

Hi Tim

Ah, I understand. You don't want the tent to be used as a four-season tent because then you could put people too stupid to understand that it's only a three-season tent in dangerous situations. But then the question arises as to why you show the tent in the snow in your image film. The very season in which you expressly want the tent not to be used. It's unthinkable what could happen if people get the idea of using the tent in the snow for four seasons because of your snow image film. In one of your product videos you mention word for word that you can transform the tent into a four-season tent using trekking poles. Something in your communication and external presentation seems contradictory and incongruent. So what is actually true and what is not? Which of your statements should we take seriously.

Kind regards Chris

Das mit dem asymetrisch aufbauen geht schon.

Zitat von Gernstl

Zitat von Onkelchris

Ich konnte mir eine Antwort darauf nicht verkneifen 😉:

Hi Tim

Ah, I understand. You don't want the tent to be used as a four-season tent because then you could put people too stupid to understand that it's only a three-season tent in dangerous situations. But then the question arises as to why you show the tent in the snow in your image film. The very season in which you expressly want the tent not to be used. It's unthinkable what could happen if people get the idea of using the tent in the snow for four seasons because of your snow image film. In one of your product videos you mention word for word that you can transform the tent into a four-season tent using trekking poles. Something in your communication and external presentation seems contradictory and incongruent. So what is actually true and what is not? Which of your statements should we take seriously.

Kind regards Chris

Oh Gott, was habe ich da nur getan. Wir werden bei S&P und Slingfin mindestens auf die Ignorantenliste gesetzt.

Nicht falsch verstehen. Ich mag mein Portal 2 und mein Crossbow auch. Ich mag nur nicht für blöd verkauft werden.

Hier die Antworr von Tim:

Hi Chris, good questions. The Portal is a strong three-season tent. That’s a good catch about the wording in the video- I’ve actually been meaning to change that to clarify that it increases the snow loading resistance comparable to many four season tents. What it boils down to is that three-season vs. four-season isn’t a black and white issue. Here’s the thing- it’s not that we don’t WANT people to use the tent in snowy conditions, it’s just that we want them to be prepared. For someone who can use the guylines properly, and use trekking poles, then sure, it will perform like a four season tent in wind and snow loading (except for that mesh inner 😉). But from how few people think it’s necessary to use guylines (despite our best efforts to educate), we’ve learned that many folks have a very limited capacity for nuance, and there is a difference between a four-season tent with thick poles and a solid inner and a three season tent like the Portal that is strong enough (as long as it's pitched properly) to push the use into the shoulder seasons, and yes, in snow and mild winter conditions.

I hope that answers your questions!

Cheers,

Tim Hunt